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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA

IN RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR Q |

Federal Grand Jury, 07-103
West Palm Beach, Florida

May 8, 2007

APPERRANCES :

BEEEE EEBENNERY. Gsuins

Assistant United States Attorney

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1 The sworn testimony of E. ER]

2 was taken before the Federal Grand Jury, West Palm

3 Beach Division, West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County,

4 State of Florida, on the 8th day of May, 2007.

5 Philip W. May, Court Reporter, was authorized to

B and did report the sworn testimony.

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(The witness entered the grand jury room.)
having been duly sworn by the grand jury foreperson,
was examined and testified on her cath as follows:

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Q Could you start by reminding us of your name and

where you're employed.
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} I work for the FBI here in West

Palm Beach on their violent crimes squad.
Q And you are one of the case agents in Operation

Leap Year?

A Yes, I am.

0 Did you recently participate in an interview of
HE EN

A Yes.

Q Can you tell us I a date of birth?

Q And you spoke with her recently?

A Yes, we did.

Q So she was 1B at the time of the interview?
A Yes, I believe she was,

0 who is [HIN HN:
A BE BE os identified by the Palm Beach

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Police Department as one of the girls who had frequented
Mr. Epstein's house.

Q How exactly did the Palm Beach Police Department
determine that she was one of those girls?

A When they did their search warrant at
Mr. Epstein's residence, some message pads were obtained
at his residence, and they had several calls from a girl
named [iJ. and phone numbers. So they were able to

track back those messages back to || NN TR.

Q Did the Palm Beach Police Department try to
interview Miss [|

. They did.

Q Did she agree to speak with them?

A No. She stated that she loved Jeffrey Epstein,

and that she would not say anything positive or negative
about what occurred.
0 After the FBI became involved in this

investigation, did you try to interview Miss [Jl

A We did, as well, with no such luck, as well.

Q How long ago was it that you first made contact
with Miss |EN:

A It was back in November of '06.

Q Did you try to serve her with a subpoena issued

on behalf of this grand jury?

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1 Q - What happened?

2 A She refused service of the grand jury subpoena.
3 But she was notified of when her appearance was expected

4 here, and a subpoena was left with her.

5 Q After that, did she obtain an attorney?

6 A Yes, she did.

1 Q Who was that?

8 A Jim Eisenberg. He's a well-known defense

9 attorney here in West Palm Beach.

10 Q Who paid for that attorney?

11 A Mr. Epstein is paying for | attorney.

12 Q Now once Miss [Jl] secured the attorney, did

13 she agree to be interviewed?

14 A Yes, she did, after she was granted 6001

15 immunity. She requested immunity.

16 Q Did the justice department authorize that grant

17 of immunity?
18 A Yes, they did. |
13 Q After that, did she agree to be interviewed?

20 A Yeah. It was only after she was given that

21 immunity that she would talk with us.

22 Q When did the interview take place?

23 A It took place at the end of April of this year,
24 so just a few weeks ago.

23 Q Who was present at that interview?

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A Myself; my partner, agent INEM: the Ausa,

SE BE her attorney, Jim Eisenberg, and his

investigator; as well as {J}

0 what did Miss Jj tell you about Jeffrey
Epstein?

A She stated that she had met an individual by the
name of [Jj at 2 party who had asked her if she |

wanted to make a few bucks by giving a man a massage. She |

was told that Mr. Epstein preferred them to be topless,

10 and she agreed to go to his house to give him a massage.
11 Q How old did Miss es tell you she was at that | (
12 time?
13 A She stated she was 16 when she first started
14 giving Mr. Epstein massages.
15 Q Based upon your review of the evidence, is that i
16 correct?
17 A No. We have phone records where RR
18 (phonetic), Mr. Epstein's assistant, is contacting ]
19 on her cell phone, or using her cell phone to call ]
20 cell phone starting in April of 2004, which makes I
21 15.
22 Q So she said that she was 16, but your evidence
23 shows that she was 15, and she said that she was told she (
24 could make a few bucks giving a topless massage?
25 A Yes.
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Q what else did Miss JR tell you?

B That she went to Mr. Epstein's residence, that
BEE ook her there the first time, that when she went \

upstairs she was paid 5200 when she first got there by

BE Bl hen she goes upstairs, and Mr. Epstein

comes in, he disrobes, puts on a towel, lays down on the

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massage table and she begins to massage him.
She tells Epstein that she heard he likes

topless massages, and he told her that he did. And she

said, "Who wouldn't?" And she ended up taking off her top
during the first massage. But [J is clear that Mr.

Epstein did not at any point touch her during the massage.

Q But does she admit that he lB

A Yes. On the second massage, Mr. Epstein asked

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her to leave her phone number with Bl. Her phone number
was left there. On the second massage, she returned the

very next day and gave him another massage. This time,

A Yes, FF] And I think her term was that

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but just said that it was a lot, and that she had been
giving him massages for a year.
Q You mentioned to the grand jury that Miss [

said that Mr. Epstein never touched her, correct?

5 A Yes.

6 Q And she was very adamant about that?

7 A Yes, she was.

B Q Were there other things that she was adamant

3 about in her interview with you?
10 A Well, she talked about what she would tell the
11 girls that -- and that she told Mr. Epstein that she was
12 18. I'm sorry, I take that back. She was told to say

13 that she was 18, and she told us that she had a fake I.D.
14 showing that she was 18.
15 So she passed that information along to the
1g other girls when she brought -- eventually she brought
17 other girls to perform massages, and that was one of the
18 things that she told -- she told us first that she brought
13 18- to 20-year old girls. And then she stated that if the
20 girls lied, and they were underage, she told them that

21 they needed to tell Epstein that they were 18.

22 Q Have you been able to identify some of the girls
23 that Miss [Jl] brought to Mr. Epstein's home?
24 A Yes.
25 Q Were any of those girls over 18?

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A No, not that we found so far.

Q Have any of the girls told investigators about
what Mr. Epstein knew about their ages?

FY I'm sorry, say that again.

0 Have any of the girls who came through |

IB been interviewed about what Mr. Epstein knew about

their ages?

A We did interview them regarding that, and I'm
not sure if he asked them. They were all told to say they
were 18, but not on every occasion would Mr. Epstein

inquire about their age.

Q Do you want to check your records on that?

A Yes, could I do that?

0 Yes, please do.

A I can tell you that one of the girls that she
brought -- this girl told Mr. Epstein that she was in high

school, and actually told him her true age, which was
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Q so what |} BH told vou about, that wasn't |
really the case?
A No, that wasn't. Sorry.
Q That's all right, I just wanted to make sure

it's clear.

So Miss [JJ] told you that she had been told

to say she was 18, and she also told you that she had a

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fake I1.D.7?
A Yes.
Q Did she ever say that Mr. Epstein either asked

for her age or asked to see her I.D.?

:\ No, the topic never came up.

Q Did you also ask her about how appointments were
made?

A Yes. She was very clear in the fact chat [J

Be would call her to arrange the appointments, but
cna J TN would call her once Jeffrey was in town.

0 So she was adamant that the calls only happened
when she was already here?

A ies.

Q - Were you made aware that Epstein's counsel was
informed that he was being investigated for traveling to
engage in prostitution, which means that the appointments
would have been made before the traveling?

A es.

0 Was there anything else, besides the issue of
age and the issue of when the appointments were made, that
sounded coached or that she was especially adamant about?

A No, I wouldn't say coached. I mean, we talked
about the preferences that Jeffrey discussed, as far as
which girls he would like [ij to bring.

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1 | told us that he liked different faces, so he would

2 ask her to bring other girls. We asked her if he ever
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4 response was that Epstein liked girls like her, which is

2 thin and blond and attractive.

6 Q And how old was she at the time?

L A She was 15.

B Q So thin, blonde, attractive and --

9 A Young, girls like her. I guess we asked if she
10 ever made a mistake, or ever brought somebody that Mr.

11 Epstein didn't take to. She said that she had screwed up

12 and that she had brought a black girl to Mr. Epstein, and

13 that Epstein was not interested in black girls. But he !
14 did pay her, and said that he wasn't a racist. He paid

15 her the $200 for her time, but did not want her to perform

16 a massage for him.

17 Q And he didn't allow that girl to perform a

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13 A No.
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about in the interview that you want to share with the
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23 A I did ask her at the end of the interview if she

24 was in love with Mr. Epstein. She looked into the camera

25 and said that she loved him like a friend. But then she

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kind of looked into the camera and gave a wink and a smile
and said, "But with your money, I'd marry you any time,
Jeffrey."

Q Did she also say that she considered him to be
an "awesome guy"?

A Several times she referred to him as an "awesome
guy". She said that the girls begged her to come and that
the girls didn't have a complaint, and the girls would
share with her everything that happened after the massage,
and that Jeffrey never touched any of the girls. But as I
informed you, we did interview some of the girls that she
took, and he has touched them.

Q In preparation for your testimony today, did you
also speak with someone who is considered to be an expert

in these cases?

A es.

0 And what 1s that person's name?

A EE

0 Has Mr. I been qualified to testify as an

expert in federal and state courts in cases that involve
what he calls "compliant victims"?

A Yes,

Q What does he mean by the term "compliant
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necessarily forced into the conduct that the offender

wants them to engage inte, that they actually consent to

that kind of activity.

Q So that would include minors who are subjected
to sexual activity but weren't necessarily kidnapped or
forced at gunpoint, or something like that?

A Exactly.

Q Did he discuss with you the difficulties that
exist when you interview those types of victims?

A Yes. He stated that a compliant victim is often
times embarrassed that they went along with the behavior.
They are also likely to deny the behavior, especially when
being interviewed by investigators, that they'll deny it
or they'll minimize it. Sometimes it takes two, three or
multiple interviews to get compliant victims to either
trust their interviewer or realize that their interviewer
is not going to be judgemental.

Q In this case, have you found that to be the case
with some of the interviews?

A Yes, I have.

Q In addition to being embarrassed, sometimes
these victims feel guilty about the fact that they were
involved in this type of activity?

A Ch, yes.

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3 Q Did he explain why an offender would select the
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7 has is for post-pubescent females that are physically

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15 Q In addition to their emotional immaturity, did |

16 Mr. I talk about whether or not younger girls are

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18 A Yes.

19 Q Did he talk to you about "grooming"?
20 A Yeah. That's what an offender will use with a |
21 compliant victim. He told us that grooming is a technique |

22 where you gain the cooperation of those victims by
23 focusing on their interests and playing up to those (

24 interests. It's a type of seduction, he called it. That

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Q Can you give us an example of some of the types
of grooming that Mr. Epstein used?

A With one of the girls we're going to talk about
today, 1] it's very apparent interviewing her how
Epstein groomed her. She only went to three or four
massages at this time, that she's admitted to. We feel
that due to her phone conversations, the multiple calls,
that there may be more there. At this point she has
stated to us that she has performed three or four massages
for Mr. Epstein.

what he did is when she first went there he
played upon -- she was very shy, and he would play upon
that shyness. He told her that she was pretty. He asked
her to remove her clothing, and she would not. So he kind
of kidded around with her shyness and complimented her,
showed interest in her, talked about her boyfriend and
different interests she had.

At the end of that interview, because she did
not take off her clothes, he tells her that if she's
willing to do more, she will make more. He also tells her
that he would pay her if she would bring other girls. As
the massages increased, you can see that the next time she

comes he plays again to that shyness, but he gets a little

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1 time she does comply and takes off her -- he asked her to
2 disrobe on the second massage. She takes off her blouse,
3 but she refuses to take off the bra after Mr. Epstein

4 asked her to.

5 So you can see that he tries through showing
6 interest. And then he actually -- when he sees that this :
7 isn't working, he takes a more authoritative role with her
8 in the last massage. She said that throughout all of |
3 these massages he was very nice, and then at the end he

10 was much more frustrated and irritated. She does get down

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13 So he started with the grooming process, tried |

14 to get her interest, tried to use that to get her to

15 comply with removing her clothes. But as often happens,

16 at the end of this, he took over and was much more

17 forceful with his requests.

18 Q Have other girls described that same situation

19 where every time they went back, he tried to push it one

20 step further and one step further?

21 A Yes. Several of the girls have said that he '

22 would always push for more and more.

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1 a Yeah. He stated that -- you know, we talked

2 about how the law protects children, and stated that we

3 hold adults accountable. When it comes to adolescents,

4 they go through normal tendencies that mature offenders

5 may try to take advantage of. But the law is in place for
b that reason, to protect -- in the federal law, to protect
7 those individuals under the age of 18.

8 Q And that's because of the different maturity

9 levels of the

10 A The offender versus the victims, exactly.

11 Q Did you put together the photographs of the

12 defendants in this case?
13 A Yes, I did.

14 Q Are these photographs of the four human

15 defendants who are named in the proposed indictment?

16 A Yes.

17 Q With their names underneath them?

18 A Yes.
19 Q Agent, who 1s in the top left-hand corner?

20 A That's Jeffrey Epstein.

21 0 When was this photograph taken?

22 A Recently. There was an article that just came

23 out regarding Mr. Epstein and his connection, or his

24 personal relationship with Prince Andrew, and that was a

25 picture that was in that article.

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Q who is in the top right-hand corner?

A That's I

Q Again, this is a relatively recent photograph?
A Yes, that's his personal assistant.

Q And the bottom left-hand corner?

A Again, that is one of Mr. Epstein’'s personal

assistants, that's ne (phonetic).
Has Miss BE since gotten married?
Yes, her name now is ]

Q And the bottom right-hand corner?
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That is Be Fk She is, again, a

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sexually involved with Mr. Epstein.

Q How old are the defendants?

A Jeffrey is in his mid-fifties, and the three
girls are in their early twenties.

Q Do you have a copy of the draft indictment in
front of you?

A Yes, I do.

Q You mentioned when we were looking at the
photographs that the three females work as personal
assistants for Mr. Epstein, is that correct?

A Yes.

Q So he is their employer?

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A Yes.

Q Are you familiar with the property located at

358 El Brillo Way in Palm Beach?

A That's Mr. Epstein residence.

Q And he owns that residence?

A Yes, he does.

Q Are you familiar with Defendant J.E.G.E., Inc.?
A Yes. J.E.G.E., Inc. is owned by Jeffrey

Epstein. He is the president, the owner, the sole
director. It's a business that is solely used for the
activities of one of Mr. Epstein's airplanes, which is his
Boeing 727. Shs ail number is N908JE.

Q And you mentioned that he is the president and

the sole director. Is he also the sole shareholder?

A Yes, he is.
Q Are you familiar with Hyperion Air, Inc.?
A Yes. Hyperion Air, Inc. is also a business

owned by Mr. Epstein. He is also the president, the
director and the sole shareholder of that company as well.
That company solely does business with his other aircraft,

which is a Gulf Stream G-11598B. It bears a tail number

N909JE.
Q Is that a smaller aircraft than the Boeing?
A Yes.
Q Just to briefly remind the grand jury about

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where the evidence has been collected in this case, was
the start of your investigation information that you
received from the Palm Beach Police Department?

A Yes, it was.

Q and that included evidence seized during a
search of Mr. Epstein's home at El Brillo Way?

A Yes.

Q Also controlled calls that the Palm Beach Police
Department placed?

A Yes.

Q And interviews of girls and other people by the
Palm Beach Police Department?

A Yes, as well as trash pulls that the Palm Beach
Police Department conducted on Mr. Epstein's residence.

Q Then when the FBI became involved, the FBI did

additional interviews of girls and of recruiters?

A Yes.

Q They obtained phone records?

A Yes, we have,

Q And records of payments?

A Yes.

Q Did this grand jury also subpoena travel
records?

A Yes.

Q Including the flight manifests of the planes

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A Yes.

Q Did you also get corporate documents related to
those two planes?

A Yes, we have.

Q Once you had obtained all of this information,
did the FBI analyze the data, specifically the call
information and the flight information to put together a
pattern of activity by the defendants?

A Yes, we did.

Q So you have a series of phone calls coming from
these three assistants who were on the board, the two
girls who have been identified through this investigation?

A Yes.

Q When you spoke with those girls, did any of them
tell you that they had developed some sort of a personal
relationship with the assistants so that they were just

chatting over the telephone?

A No, not at all.
Q All of them said what about the phone calls?
A Said that the phone calls were made to set up

appointments for Mr. Epstein.

Q And the girls referred to it as appointments to

work, is that right?

A Yes, they were appointments to work. There is

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one exception, 1] We're going to talk about her

probably next week. She did say on one or two occasions
that ne a had called her when she had gone out
to California on a trip, I believe. But that is the only
time that that was ever mentioned. In fact, we asked, and
those phone calls were made for the purpose of setting up

appointments for Mr. Epstein.

0 Is the investigation continuing? |
A Yes, it is.
0 Are you still trying to locate and interview
more girls? r
A ies,
Q Let's turn to the specific evidence reporting

the overt acts and cffenses relating to Jane Doe's 1
through 5. I know that every member of the grand jury has

a copy of the draft indictment before them, and also a

chart.
Do you have a copy of that chart as well?
A I do.
Q Do you have photographs of the five girls that

we are going to talk about today?
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Q And these are photographs of the people that we 14

are calling Jane Doe's 1 through 57

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And Jane Doe Number 1, you have previously

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Yes, I have, that's [JJ}.

Jane Doe Number 27?

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Jane Doe Number 37

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Jane Doe Number 47?

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And Jane Doe Number 57?

JUROR: The purpose of Epstein's business with

THE WITNESS: To travel around.

JUROR: So it wasn't like a business of

transporting other people?

THE WITNESS: He flew other guests, sometimes

unaccompanied, sometimes accompanied.

Juror: (HE. HEE =nc IE. do vou have

any evidence that they started young, like the rest

of the recruits?

THE WITNESS: We have evidence that they are his

personal assistants employed by him, not that it was

anything like what we were discussing.

JUROR: There was an allegation that was made

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earlier, back in February, during one of these
discussions, about a specific act that was performed.
Can I ask about that? We were told back in February
that one of the girls when interviewed had alleged

rape, and I hadn't heard about that allegation

recently.

THE WITNESS: That's probably Jane Doe Number 6.
We're going to talk about her, that he forcibly put
her on the table -: Yeah, she will
be coming up. We're going to do her probably next

week. She'll be the first one we'l

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Q So turning to Jane Doe Number
testified about her earlier before this
correct?

A Yes, I did.

0 And she also testified before
correct?

A Yes.

Q Can you remind us of her date

Q Could you briefly refresh the
recollection of how she was recruited?

A She was approached on a beach

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and asked her if she wanted to perform massages for
Mr. Epstein and make some money.
Q From the review of the phone records that you

have received, were you able to identify a telephone

number associated win [|

A Yes.
0 In fact, has been interviewed?
A Yes, he has.
Q And has he admitted to being a recruiter for Mr.

Epstein? |
A Yes, recruiter and driver. )
Q If you could take a look at Overt Act Number 2, 1

which appears on page five. That states, "On or about

March 12, 2004, defendants Jeffrey Epstein and
caused Jane Doe Number 1 to travel to 358 Brillo Way of

Palm Beach, Florida."

Can you tell us what evidence you have regarding

that?

A we have reviewed phone records for [Jj and

] that indicate the calls took place, as well as phone

records for BE BB and calls that took

place on or about those dates. We've also looked at a

flight manifest, and were able toc show that Mr. Epstein

arrived the day before, on the 11th. We also have [JIN

statement where she describes the sexual activity that

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Q On that date, March 12 of 2004, [Jj described
going to Mr. Epstein's house and performing a sexual |

massage? |

A Yes, on or about that day.
0 on or about that date, what did [| state

about being paid?

A She was paid 5200.

Q And that relates to Overt Act Number 37

A Yes. |
Q And she stated that Mr. Epstein is the person |

who gave her that? i
A She told us that in her statement. |
Q If vou could take a look at Overt Act Number 95,
which is on page 17. On or about February 6, 2005,

Epstein had Jane Doe Number 1 to make one or more

telephone calls to Jane Doe Number 2.

First of all, who is Jane Doe Number 27

A That would be [Jl ovr youngest victim. ;
Q Can you tell us what evidence you have related

to that overt act?

A We have the girl's statements that calls were
made. We also reviewed the phone records that indicated

that there was telephonic contact between the numbers

belonging to [JJ a~< IN.

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February 6, 2005,

And in the statement of both girls, did they

Yes.

Looking at Overt Act Number 96.

Epstein caused Jane Doe Number 1 to

transport Jane Doe Number 2 to 358 El Brillo Way.

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What is the evidence related to that?

Again, the statements of |NEGN and [J sverort

that as further evidence,

records they indicate that there was telephonic contact ;

and also reviewing the phone

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2005, Epstein made a payment of $300 to Jane Doe Number 2

Overt Act Number 97,

and a payment of 5200 to Jane Doe Number 1.

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What was the evidence of that?

Both [| andi statea in their statements

that [| was paid $300, and I was paid $200 for

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Did [ll] explain why she was paid $3007?

Yes, she was paid 5300 because she performed her

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after February 6, 2005,

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school?
A Yes, it was, by a school administrator.
Q If vou could look at Overt Act Number 117, which

is on page 19, and that states that on or about March 30,

2005, J caused one or more calls to be made to a :
telephone used by Jane Doe Number 1. |
what evidence do you have related to that? |

2 We reviewed the phone records of Bl mam and

ne that indicate this.

Q and Overt Act 120, on or about March 31, ee
caused one or more calls to be made to a telephone used by
Jane Doe Number 1.

A Again, we reviewed the phone records that
indicated there was telephonic contact between the numbers

belonging to Be and  B |

Q Then we have Overt Act Number 122, which is also

March 31, that Epstein and [| caused Jane Doe Number 1
to make a call to a telephone used by Jane Doe Number 2.
What evidence do you have related to that?
A We have phone records that we have reviewed
belonging to [i] and JJ. In this case, we also have a
voice mail that was provided to us by the Palm Beach (

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0 and Overt Act Number 123 refers to April lst.

what evidence do you have related to that?

A We have reviewed the phone records of [Jj and
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day. We also again have another recorded voice mail by
BE left on J phone.

Q These later calls, the March-April calls, are
those the controlled calls that the Palm Beach Police

Department was involved in?

A There was controlled calls placed to ||}

cell phone and to [JJ] place of work by [Jj under the

supervision of the Palm Beach Police Department.

Q And the voice mail message that you referred to

of JJ calling J}. what information was [JJ] leaving

in that voice mail message?

A Bl was asking for Jj to get back in touch, |

that she had set up an appointment for [Jj at Epstein's

house on the following day, on that Saturday at around
10:30 or 11:00.

Q In addition to the phone records, was there
anything that the Palm Beach Police Department found that
also confirmed that this appointment actually was made.

A As I mentioned earlier, the Palm Beach Police

Department was doing trash pulls on Mr. Epstein's

residence. In there, there were two messages or notes in

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said, ‘TN with le on Saturday at 10:30, and ne on

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retrieved it on April 8. |
Q If I could direct your attention to Count Number
Five, which appears on page 26. That is the charge of
enticement of a minor, referring to Jane Doe Number 1, and

Mr, Epstein and | IB arc charged. i

I know that you talked about the telephone

traffic. The calls between [JJ and || did

they fall within that March 7 through March 11 time |

period?

A A review of their telephone records do indicate
that there were phone calls made during that time.

Q And Jane Doe Number 1 actually went to Mr.

Epstein's home?

A Yes, and performed a massage for him in the
nude.

Q And she was paid for that?

A Yes, she was paid 5200.

A Yes, he did. I would like to include that ne

BE cok ll upstairs for that massage, and she also

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0 And also, just so it's clear, how old was [ER
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11 A ies.

12 Q Let's turn to Count Number Six, which is on page

13 26, which is the enticement of [| If you could tell

14 the grand jury about the evidence related to that.

15 A BE date of birth 8

16 Q So during this period of February 5, 2005 to the

17 6th, how old was she?

18 A She was 14.

19 Q Can you remind the grand jury about the evidence

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set up and arrange appointments for Mr. Epstein to have
his massages.

pertaining to [JJ]. during the massage that
occurred on those dates, February 6, in particular, I
think I have discussed with vou before what occurred on
that, that he es -- and that was his term for
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at the time.

Q If we could turn to Count Number 43, which
appears on page 31. Count 43 is one of the travel counts.
If you could tell the grand jury, did a trip occur on
March 31, 20057

A Yes, we have flight records that indicate a
flight occurred on that date.

Q What type of plane was used?

A I'm going to refer to the J.E.G.E., Incorporated
aircraft as just the Boeing 727. If we talk about the
Hyperion Air, Incorporated aircraft, which is the Gulf
Stream, I will just say the Gulf Stream. So on that date
he did travel on his Boeing 727, on 3-31,

Q And Mr. Epstein was aboard the plane on that

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A Yes, he was.

Q With respect to the March 31st trip, was there
evidence of him setting up the appointment with prior
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Q And even though that appointment was never kept, |
that HH never went to that appointment, you have the

notes that were retrieved from the garbage that showed

that Mr. Epstein was expecting | {| to show up for that

appointment?

A Yes.

Q Anything else with respect to that particular
count?

A We also have the controlled calls and the voice
mails.

Q Turning to Count Number 60, which appears on

page 34, that is the attempted enticement of mi
during the period of March 30 to April 1.
Again, at that point, EEE how old?
A She was 14.
Q And we had talked about the telephone calls that
were used. One of the things that is relevant to this

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mj was 14, did you interview a girl who went with

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February?
A Yes, we did, that would be [|| |} NNN
Q And [| was interviewed?
A Yes, she was interviewed by the Palm Beach

Police Department.
Q What aid [|| say about [JJ appearance?
A That she was the youngest locking girl that
came.
0 when you talked with [Jl]. did Jl talk about

girls that Mr. Epstein liked in particular?

A Yes.
Q And was mj one of those girls?
A Yes, she was one of his preferences. [Jj also

told us that Mr. Epstein said to her on one occasion, "The
younger, the better.”

Q And there was never any attempt to get [EE
I.D. or to confirm her actual age?

A NO.

Q As we discussed before, ] never actually went

to that point, right, so that is just an attempt?

A Yes.

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